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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Sun May 01, 2016 11:41 am

Wiseco and SuperTech refused to ship direct to my military APO address, so I had to have someone else in the states order, receive and forward them to me. That person didn't ship the parts once they arrived and it took forever to get the parts in the mail.. It was to the point that I was about to re-order the parts and have someone else ship them for me. So pissed. I was told the parts have been shipped and should be here this week. We'll see.. Still gonna take another week or so for my car to get back into the workflow, so I'm pushing 3 months behind right now.
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Josip » Sun May 01, 2016 11:53 am

Shizzle mate. You really have patience. :shock:
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Sun May 01, 2016 12:13 pm

The car has been out of commission for 21 months now, and after the year-long build the first time around due to parts arriving, yeah my patience level has reached astronomical levels for sure :(
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Josip » Sun May 01, 2016 2:38 pm

Don't know what to say. :(

I really hope the car goes on the road very soon.
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Sun May 01, 2016 3:08 pm

Me too man.. I just got back from Croatia. Went to Zadar and Plitvice this trip.. Croatia is definitely our favorite place in Europe :) One of these days I'll get to Grobnik!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Josip » Tue May 03, 2016 4:32 am

Nice to hear that !

I don't know was wheater good to you, but If i could choose, I would go to Plitvice when there is small rain drops. I mean, it's nice when it's sunny, but you should see it when there is small rain. :D

Are you coming with your car on Grobnik, or?
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Fri May 06, 2016 12:26 pm

Yeah, the plan is to run the car at Grobnik. I just have to wait until it's ready. I also want to go to the EE8 meet in Germany if possible and maybe the Honda Euro Meet in August in Belgium.
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Josip » Fri May 06, 2016 1:16 pm

So you like to travel. :D

Do you know perhaps on what date would you come to Grobnik?
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Fri May 06, 2016 1:57 pm

I won't know until my car is fixed and I can break the motor in. Hopefully, that will be soon. Maybe late summer/early fall.
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Tue May 24, 2016 1:26 pm

Finally got the parts installed and the car cranked.. She's running nice and smooth :) Hopefully I'll be able to get her back on the dyno again soon to finish the tune!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:12 am

Black Betty getting cranked.. That's my Italian ninja right there :) Fingers crossed for the tune this weekend!! :bounce:

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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:44 pm

SHE'S ALIVE!!!!!! Only took damn near two years!!! I got to drive her today for a few minutes :bounce: but they still have a couple things to button up before I pick her up in a day or so.

They're telling me there's an injector issue.. They said I'm running at 90% duty cycle / 14ms... I'm not sure how that's possible, wondering if maybe a tune/hardware issue? I ran the equation I know through a calculator and came up with:

BSFC: 0.65 (based on basic turbo numbers)
HP (crank estimated): 400 (high)
# injectors: 4
Max Duty: 80%
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853.1cc

I'm running ID 1000cc injectors with max 360hp to the wheels. According to those numbers I should have plenty of breathing room.. Instead they're telling me I'm at 90% :/

BUT... 1000cc @ 90% DC puts me at roughly .73 BSFC... Just seems really high for wasted fuel :/
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (She's ALIVE!)

Postby Gr8_EE8 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:44 pm

I can think of one simple thing and one complicated thing re: your injectors- what is your fuel pressure, and are you running data acquisition on fuel pressure vs. load? That's the simple thing, the other is a question about the injector driver circuit matching the injectors' parameters.

Bam-ba-lam, at least you are on the road!

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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (She's ALIVE!)

Postby Treezy » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:56 am

I will hopefully have more info in a day or so.. still waiting to pick up the car, haven't had a chance to hook the computer to it and download the parameters. Then I will have the fuel pressure numbers as well as a log and map. Just hope it's something simple to adjust!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (She's ALIVE!)

Postby Treezy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:38 am

Finally got the car back :bounce:

First couple hours at the house and already got the temp washer bottle installed and lights sorted to pass inspection :D

Gotta cut WAY more out of the front bumper to fit the massive Speed Factory IC.., so hopefully that'll be done this evening so I can take her on the street tomorrow for break-in.

As she sits, 350whp. I can bring that number up by sorting out the 90% duty cycle issue on the injectors, but I don't think I'll be upping my HP here in Italy. 350 on these slick ass streets here is plenty. Maybe run a second map for the track at some point.

BUT WHATEVER... SHE'S HOME! :D
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (back home after 2 years!)

Postby Treezy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:37 pm

One day back and she has the washer tank installed, had to grind down the IC hangers and cut out more of the stock bumper to get it mounted, the stock VTEC red tails are in, and put over 100km on her for break-in.. she's definitely needy!

After dinner I checked for leaks and she definitely has one.. Looks like oil is leaking but couldn't see exactly where from. Pretty sure it's the back side of the engine, possibly the oil pan gasket but not sure. It was so nice having her for a day with no jump-out-at-you problems.. I guess we're back to the same old story :(

Still have to sort out my fuel pressure and ECT issues.. But if I get the oil leak stopped she's at least drivable!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (back home after 2 years!)

Postby Gr8_EE8 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:51 pm

Hopefully it is something easy like the oil filter. Right on, man!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (back home after 2 years!)

Postby Cementups » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:16 pm

Rear main seal?
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (back home after 2 years!)

Postby Treezy » Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:08 am

Hard to get under it in my garage with just a floor jack, but looks like it's coming from the drain plug. I took a hex to it and it seems plenty tight, just hope they didn't over-tighten it and caused a problem. Other than that I couldn't tell anything else was wrong. I just drove it another hundred kilometers so we'll see.

Another thing that's happening is that when I stop and get gas, the damn car doesn't want to crank again :/ I have to sit there for like 20 minutes before it'll crank.. I tried to adjust the warm crank numbers in hondata, but just throwing some numbers at it really (based on what was already input). Nada.. This happened the other day at the gas station as well.. But when I'm not getting gas and shut it off, I generally have to prime it twice real quick and then crank and she'll start. Still waiting to get my fuel pressure gauge to see where we're at, but yeah..
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (back home after 2 years!)

Postby Treezy » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:39 pm

Nothing shiny and polished to look at, but she weighs in at 350whp with room to spare. The parts list is on page 1:
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New tails put on.. Was euro clears when I bought her.
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty (A couple new pics added)

Postby Treezy » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:49 am

Just got the registration sorted out and fixed to reflect the fact that she is INDEED a 1991, making her importable when I leave here :)
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty -registration fixed, now import

Postby Gr8_EE8 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:42 pm

Cheers, man!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty -registration fixed, now import

Postby Treezy » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:51 pm

Ordered new heater control unit from a fellow CRX'r on here, as well as new Innovative 75A motor mounts (90-91 Integra/92-93 Integra GSR for EE8) and trunk lid shocks.. The new B&M fuel pressure gauge should be here soon as well.. She's got a long way to go, but at least she's back to get started on!
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty -registration fixed, now import

Postby Treezy » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:33 am

At this point I would be showing off a ratty little cooling plate installed between the manifold and space between the radiator/intercooler which regulated my temps to normal.., but just in time for that to be done, AND ready to install my B&M fuel gauge.., ANNNND install my new Innovative motor mounts.., the hood latch broke :evil:

I can't win with this car.. It's like a super hot girlfriend who knows she's super hot and can piss you off constantly because she knows you love her and she thinks it's cute..
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Re: 1991 EDM EE8 Black Betty

Postby Treezy » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:19 pm

So my hood latch broke or became disconnected.., but I can't tell which because the shop installed a plastic wall around my radiator/IC to regulate the temps.. They zip-tied them to my effin bumper and to my t-bracket.., so now I can't see the latch nor get to it, I have to remove the plastic walls to get to it, have to remove the bumper to take them off, then have to fix and replace all of those damn zip-ties :evil: So pissed right now.. I really do wish I had a shop that I could get special custom work done without it being ratty, like a brushed aluminum etc type plate that I could use a few bolts to install/remove.., but NOOOOOOOOO.., gotta be stuck here in the land of the lost :(

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