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Postby 91crxsi4ever » Tue May 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Hello all.I need some help with front speakers.Does anybody knows which speakers will fit in front brackets without any mods . I got few of them and they all about 1/2" "too deep".Don't care what brand as long as they fit .Thanks
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Cementups » Tue May 13, 2014 10:24 pm

I have Infiity Kappas 6.5" all around in my CRX with no modifications. And they do offer a shallow mount for the fronts.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby 91crxsi4ever » Wed May 14, 2014 7:25 pm

Thanks guys :-)b
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby NovaVTEC » Thu May 15, 2014 11:44 am

I got two 16 cm oem front brackets that will make a nice fit but they are not really deep. Yours for 40 plus shipping (from europe)

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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby 91crxsi4ever » Thu May 15, 2014 10:51 pm

NovaVTEC wrote:I got two 16 cm oem front brackets that will make a nice fit but they are not really deep. Yours for 40 plus shipping (from europe)

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I got oem brackets,i was looking for speakers...
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby 357trx » Thu May 15, 2014 11:31 pm

Get some plywood speaker rings so you'll have extra depth space and sound proof the doors with stinger roadkill extreme. I did mine when I installed my elate morel components and it made a huge difference in sound.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby audioroach » Fri May 16, 2014 6:23 pm

Alpine type s 6.5" or 5.25" versions
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Fri May 16, 2014 6:38 pm

91crxsi4ever wrote:Does anybody knows which speakers will fit in front brackets without any mods


Any speaker you look at should tell you mount depth and/or mention if they are shallow mount or not.
This applies to 2/3 way speakers.
5.25 up front fit no problem.
Shallow mount 6.5's will fit if you cut out the back of the plastic speaker basket mounted in the door.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby C.R.Xander » Fri May 16, 2014 7:04 pm

There are exceptions. My JL Audio C3-600 (classed as 6 1/2 but are not) will not fit no matter what you do.
Crutchfield says they "fit front door", but reading further states "fits with bracket". They don't.
The magnet is so big on these that no matter what you do they will not fit the door (unless you construct a "bump out" and have them stick way out from the door.)

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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Fri May 16, 2014 9:04 pm

C.R.Xander wrote:There are exceptions. My JL Audio C3-600 (classed as 6 1/2 but are not) will not fit no matter what you do.
The magnet is so big on these that no matter what you do they will not fit the door (unless you construct a "bump out" and have them stick way out from the door.)


Those are a mid bass component speaker, correct?
So that is not surprising.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby C.R.Xander » Fri May 16, 2014 9:21 pm

Baker wrote:
C.R.Xander wrote:There are exceptions. My JL Audio C3-600 (classed as 6 1/2 but are not) will not fit no matter what you do.
The magnet is so big on these that no matter what you do they will not fit the door (unless you construct a "bump out" and have them stick way out from the door.)


Those are a mid bass component speaker, correct?
So that is not surprising.


They are a component set, yes. I would not classify them as "Mid Bass".
Specs say "50-25Khz frequency range" but they do not like bass much below 100hz and even that gets distortion at low volume. I have to say for the price paid I am NOT happy with them, which goes against all reviews for them.
It has occurred to me that the issues could be a result of the AMP and not the speakers but I have no way to verify this.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_136C3600/JL-Audio-C3-600.html?tp=106#overview-tab

Anyway, getting off topic so... :focus:
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Sat May 17, 2014 8:23 am

C.R.Xander wrote:They are a component set, yes. I would not classify them as "Mid Bass".


Alright, maybe not, but I wouldn't consider them a coaxial speaker, which I think is a more commonly used when people ask these types of questions about which speakers will fit.
Obliviously a 6.5" mid from a component set will not drop in and fit with the magnets on those always being larger than a coaxial.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby C.R.Xander » Sat May 17, 2014 11:23 am

Baker, once again you are making some flawed generalizations and assumptions, and are sounding like a person who knows nothing but is trying to sound intelligent. It's not working.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Sat May 17, 2014 12:43 pm

C.R.Xander wrote:They are a component set, yes. I would not classify them as "Mid Bass".


SO what would you classify them as, they are not a coaxial, mid range maybe?

From this pic, I could have told you there would be a good chance they won't fit.
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Here is a component set with shallow mount woofers, clearly there is a significant difference in size.
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C.R.Xander wrote:Baker, once again you are making some flawed generalizations and assumptions, and are sounding like a person who knows nothing but is trying to sound intelligent. It's not working.


I don't need to try to sound intelligent, I know enough to know what I'm talking about.
Some common sense and experience from the past 15yrs hasn't hurt.
I'm also not the one who purchased speakers that wouldn’t fit nor have I ever had an issue with figuring out what speakers will and won't fit, so I must have done something right all that time. :rolleyes1:
Again, all speakers will have specs, some, if not most, will also tell you if they are shallow mount or not.


The set of Kicker RS6's I had would fit in my '93 hatch, though I had to cut the speaker basket out, but the doors on those cars had more clearance, more than the 88-91.
Though I never had a chance to try them, I have a feeling those 6.5's would have trouble fitting since the magnets on those were large.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Dr_Drache » Sat May 17, 2014 2:32 pm

I think anyone who buys $300+ a pair speakers, would at least be smart enough to check before they lay down the funds.
those are "mid bass" any day of the week. just because they suck when you don't filter out the low base, (read : amp problem) doesn't change the design of the speakers.

Baker is right though. as much as you don't like it.
if you even LOOKED at the picture/speakers. you'd know they would never fit in a door in a crx, or well... most small cars.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Sat May 17, 2014 2:43 pm

Dr_Drache wrote:I think anyone who buys $300+ a pair speakers, would at least be smart enough to check before they lay down the funds.


:clap: You'd think so right, but money can't buy brains or a bit of common sense either.



Dr_Drache wrote:those are "mid bass" any day of the week. just because they suck when you don't filter out the low base, (read : amp problem) doesn't change the design of the speakers.


That's what I thought a component set was made up of, tweeters and mids, but what do I know? :shrug:



C.R.Xander wrote:I have to say for the price paid I am NOT happy with them, which goes against all reviews for them.
It has occurred to me that the issues could be a result of the AMP and not the speakers but I have no way to verify this.


...and I'm the one who is not intelligent.
Not being happy with the speakers, which as you mention goes against ALL reviews (which obliviously were positive), then say the issue is NOT with the speakers... :doh:
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby C.R.Xander » Sat May 17, 2014 3:57 pm

Couple of points...
You need to learn your terms. There is Mid range, and there is Mid Bass. NOT the same thing at all.
The store I got these from clearly stated FITS IN DOOR (then added with bracket). Since I had had the car all of a week and never even removed the grill to check hole size (yes, something I should have done, but even if I had .. the speakers fit the hole) I believed a very large and well respect car audio specialist.
A coaxial speaker is ANY speaker(s) with 2 drivers on a common axis, which the speakers I have are capable of. So yes they can be mounted as coaxial, but don't have to be. And in any case, what does being coaxial or not have to do with fitment? Absolutely nothing.
Baker, for someone as "experienced" as you claim to be you sure don't know much. You are constantly making generalizations and assumptions which are wrong.
I myself said the speakers are not performing as I expected, but not being able to test them or the amp I can't pin down a cause. The much cheaper JL Audio TR650-CXI ($70) sound way better on the same amp, therefore it is a good bet that the speakers are at fault, but it could be the amp.

Baker said..."Obliviously a 6.5" mid from a component set will not drop in and fit with the magnets on those always being larger than a coaxial."
Total BS. Again you assume the magnet on a component will always be bigger than that on a coaxial. So not true and proves you do not know what you are talking about.

I could go on but I'm not going to waste my time.
Have a good day.

Edit to add:
You say I should have known they would not fit, I DID. I had no expectations they would fit in the door without mods.
Like I said, to get these JL Audio speakers to fit you have to build a "bump out", which I did.

BUT, this topic is about what WILL fit. According to info provided by the seller, the speakers I bought fit the doors, which is just not the case. I knew that but this topic is not about my install. I mentioned my experience to point out that not all "this size" or not all "this type" speakers fit, which was what Baker had indicated.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby KevinEF7 » Sat May 17, 2014 5:44 pm

:grouphug: Ok that was a good chat, group hug, over it.

Im actually in the market for a new set of speakers for put in my rear bass tube enclosures, need to fit the factory bracket so 5.25", but depth isnt a concern in the rear, running off headunit power only.

While Im at it Id also like to put some better speakers in the front aswell, also ran off headunit. Most likely just a 6.5" to fit the stock basket...

Any suggestions on a speaker that fits the bill? Theres so many out there....
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Sat May 17, 2014 6:11 pm

C.R.Xander wrote:Couple of points...
You need to learn your terms. There is Mid range, and there is Mid Bass. NOT the same thing at all.


Yes, I did jumble the terms together.
With that said, what are those 6.5's classified as then, you never clarified?

C.R.Xander wrote: Again you assume the magnet on a component will always be bigger than that on a coaxial. So not true and proves you do not know what you are talking about.


Really? 9/10, unless stated otherwise, MOST component sets, the magnet on the woofer will be larger than most common 2/3way speakers and will NOT fit our cars.


C.R.Xander wrote:Baker, for someone as "experienced" as you claim to be you sure don't know much.

I could go on but I'm not going to waste my time.


1. Sure, I may not be as technical and audiogeeky as most, BUT I do know I've never purchased a set of speakers, components or otherwise that don't fit

2.Whew, good! :clap:
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Dr_Drache » Sat May 17, 2014 7:24 pm

getting all heated because things were pointed out that you were not 100% correct about and you blindly got speakers from
"very large and well respect car audio specialist." - crutchfield, really? I guess buying a turbo from andysautosports because they said it would fit is a good idea too?

crutchfield gets it wrong, as often as they get it right.
also some facts, since you don't know either (if you did, then you'd know already you were wrong)

"Coaxial speakers in automobiles are 2- or 3-way loudspeakers in which the tweeter, or the tweeter and a mid-range driver, are mounted in front of the woofer, partially obscuring it. "

woofer = "Woofer is the term commonly used for a loudspeaker driver designed to produce low frequency sounds, typically from around 40 hertz up to about a kilohertz or higher. "

and, since there is a little lack of information :
Subs cover : 20Hz~60Hz
woofers cover : 60~150hz
Mid-Bass covers : 150Hz~300Hz
Mid Range Covers : 300Hz~5,000Hz
Tweeters Cover: 5,000Hz~20,000Hz

and according to you :
"Specs say "50-25Khz frequency range""

it's hard for me to read... but... 50hz-25khz, is 100-300hz in there?

I'm done with this... good luck with BSing. if you don't know something, be the bigger man and admit it.
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby Baker » Sat May 17, 2014 8:18 pm

91crxsi4ever wrote:Hello all.I need some help with front speakers.Does anybody knows which speakers will fit in front brackets without any mods .


Should have just posted this from the get go...
http://www.crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=57633
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby KevinEF7 » Sat May 17, 2014 9:38 pm

Think I might pull the trigger on the Polk DB series coaxials... what do you guys think?

Polk DB651s (slim) pair for the front
Polk DB521 pair for the rear

They seem to have good specs, high sensitivity which will help the fact that Im running them just off head unit power and relatively well priced at about $140 shipped for all 4
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby 91crxsi4ever » Sun May 18, 2014 12:27 am

Thanks again everybody. :-)b
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Re: FRONT SPEAKERS HELP

Postby KevinEF7 » Fri May 30, 2014 9:05 am

I ended up buying the Polk db 651/621 sets, but switched the front to the non slim version.

All it took was a highway drive where I could barely hear any music and I came home and clicked checkout

Hope they sounds as good as the reviews say, off headunit power
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