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What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Angry » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:06 am

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Im contemplating rebuilding my spare HF steering rack...esp since its 21 years old and ALL of it looks to be original.
Even the tie rod that went bad on the way to N15.

Or....do I just need to order 1 of everything in the picture? heh (which is from majestic BTW)
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Hybrid88 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:22 am

do you have the rack apart? i would clean and inspect everything, if possible, before ordering anything


most people find inner and outer tie rods, rack end bushing, and mount bushings are in need of replacement. check for excessive wear on the rack guide and rack/pinion, regrease and enjoy!
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby mattminerDOTcom » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:23 am

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grease everything liberally

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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Hocker » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:29 am

mattminerDOTcom wrote:Image

:)

grease everything liberally

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What part numbers did you need and is there a quaife rack in there? lol
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Its me DUB » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:12 am

Hey bryan, I have a rack end bushing I'll sell to you that I have extra. It's new in package from Honda.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Angry » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:42 am

I dont have the rack inside yet, its still bolted to the my spare shell and its been pouring rain since yesterday. When I get it inside Ill pull it apart in the basement (or dining room LOL)...
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby mattminerDOTcom » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:23 pm

really you just need the boots, inner and outer rods, that bushing dub has, the locking washers, and then any parts that are worn out. theres alot of stuff that is no longer available.

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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Its me DUB » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:48 pm

If it's bad enough, I've heard of buying a rebuilt rack. I was talking to rex4life about it at N15 and he said he got/is getting one for $150 with core. I don't think that includes tie rods or anything though.

Maybe he can chime in as a back-up idea to rebuilding yours.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby jfrolang » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

mattminerDOTcom wrote:theres alot of stuff that is no longer available.

According to Majestic anyway. My local dealer was able to get stuff that Majestic said was gone. I think Majestic does enough business that they just don't care to search for parts that aren't at the regional warehouse, or they don't want to lose money on shipping stuff across the country to their dealership when their margins are already pretty small. We know they won't ship large items because of the associated cost.

This picture is from when I rebuilt my steering rack just 2 months ago. Everything in this pic is brand new, except for the housing and lock washers, and I just didn't feel like buying new lock washers.

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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Angry » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:40 am

How much did all the parts set you back by going to your local dealer, Jfro?
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby jfrolang » Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:20 pm

I got 10% off Honda's SRP just by asking for the discount, plus 6% Idaho sales tax. I bought some of the parts from Majestic when I ordered up everything I needed for my transmission, then I bought everything else that Majestic said was gone from the dealer here.

I think, at a minimum, the following parts should be replaced when rebuilding the steering rack:

Pinion bearing
Pinion dust seal
Rack end bushing
Rack guide
Rack guide washer
Rack guide spring
Inner tie rods
Tie rod boots
Outer tie rods (I didn't buy these because the ones I had were under a year old)

And don't forget grease.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby Angry » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:21 am

Sweet thanks,(everybody) tommrow Ill try and get the rack inside. I didnt get to it today.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby sxysweed » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:30 am

91' CRX DX Parts/Numbers

Pinion bearing 96100-62020-10
Pinion dust seal 53426-671-003
Rack end bushing 53430-SH3-000
Rack guide 53416-SH3-003
Rack guide washer 53418-SC2-003 <------not sure
Rack guide spring 53413-SH3-003
Inner tie rods 53521-SH3-003 <-------not sure
Tie rod boots 53537-SH3-J00 & 53537-SH3-000
Outer tie rods 53540-SH3-013 (R) & 53560-SH3-013 (L)
Rack Mount Bushing 53436-SH3-000

Does anyone know if those part numbers are correct?
Total from Majestic Honda comes out to $215 before tax or shipping (Tie Rod Ends are $45/each).
Parts from Moog aren't that much cheaper (iirc, some cost more than Honda).
Duralast sells rebuilt Steering Racks for ~$300 ($65 core charge).
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby scruffybob42088 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:20 am

I have to rebuild my steering rack also. anyone know how difficult it is to take out the steering rack?
I really need to take it out to see exactly what I need to replace.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby jfrolang » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:27 am

sxysweed wrote:Rack guide washer 53418-SC2-003 <------not sure
Inner tie rods 53521-SH3-003 <-------not sure

Does anyone know if those part numbers are correct?

I didn't verify but you can pretty easily cross check them at a site like hondapartsdeals.com. The washer is #5 in the diagram and the inner tie rods are #20.

scruffybob42088 wrote:I have to rebuild my steering rack also. anyone know how difficult it is to take out the steering rack?

Getting the rack in and out of the car is the biggest pain of the whole rebuild process. You need to remove the U-joint that connects the steering column to the pinion inside the car (under the black cover behind the pedals), then you need to get the shift linkages and exhaust out of the way. Pop the tie rods free from the knuckles, and remove the four bolts that hold the rack assembly to the car. Then manipulate the SOB until it's free, as I recall I think it works best if the rack is cranked all the way to one side. You can remove the outer tie rods to make it a little easier.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby scruffybob42088 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:57 pm

Hell yeah thanks for the heads up Jfro :hail:
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby scruffybob42088 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:27 pm

Ok I have steering rack unbolted from the car but I can't get the SOB out. those 2 support bars for the lower control arms are in the way and they keep me from lowering the rack out. can't get it low enough for the little gear that connects to the U-joint, can't get it low enough to clear the whole. I guess Im gonna have to disconnect the exhaust, But do I really need to disconnect the shift linkage to the tranny????? the torsion bar would be no problem.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby jfrolang » Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:29 am

scruffybob42088 wrote:I guess Im gonna have to disconnect the exhaust, But do I really need to disconnect the shift linkage to the tranny?

You really have to.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby scruffybob42088 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:03 pm

well I figured so. got one more question, how in the hell do get the steering rack bushings out, Im specifically talking about the 4 on the driver side, they will not move and I have new ES one to put in.
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Re: What all exactly is needed to rebuild the steering rack?

Postby jhmedicated » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:56 pm

I feel your pain; it’s frustrating getting that sucker out. As was said, you have to pull the rack as far as it will go to one side and then cock the tie rod end down at an angle through it’s hole on the cross member. (I think on the driver’s side) Then take the whole rack and pull down and twist and try to get the pinion through its hole. If it doesn’t work I’d try it the opposite direction. It can be aggravating, that’s for sure. Especially when you can see that the pinion only needs a few more millimeters of clearance to come out of it’s hole. I’ve had it come out before in like twenty minutes, but the last time I fought that stubborn sob for at least two hours before finally getting frustrated and calling it day. Came back later with a clear mind and a new sense of determination and it came right out. I think the service manual or Chilton’s or whatever has some vague illustration of the rack coming out like butter along with some vague (but more or less correct) indications as to which side it needs to be pulled. It’s gravy putting it back in though.
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