for what kind of harness?

 

A seatbelt harness so I can attach 4 point seatbelts to......Any idea how I can get my hands on some for the 90 rx???

 

Using harnesses without rollover protection is not a good idea.

You should only wear a harness if you have a roll bar or roll cage.

If you absolutely must run a harness without rollover protection, the "only" viable option is if you run the DOT legal harness from Schroth...one of the ones that utilizes their "ASM" system.

 

Oh thats interesting,I didnt know that.Thanks for the great advice
So what would you suggest I should get instead because I wanted one to change the interior look of my RX with a bolt on that would also help it on the road

 

Get a proper roll bar, at a minimum one of the Autopower bolt-in deals. I would never recommend a simple harness bar.

 

Im liking the sound of it but im just wondering how it would look. Does anyone have any pictures??????

 

Are you considering a roll bar purely because of the looks? That's a fairly expensive item just to "spice up" the interior. lol You're looking at $600-ish after shipping.

Here's some more info on the Autopower roll bar though:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38737

If you're just looking to change things up in the interior, how about changing out the steering wheel? Or maybe the seats? Those can be done for much cheaper.

 

Harness bar is OK for autox mounted belts, but not to use the bar mounted belts on the street or for a HPDE.

 

Harness bar is OK for autox mounted belts, but not to use the bar mounted belts on the street or for a HPDE.

I understand why you wouldn't want just a harness bar for HPDE, but I don't see why not for the street?

 

Cars can still rollover on the street. It happens more often than you would think. Trust me, I'm a paramedic, I see it all the time.
Cars can flip at autox events. Its not common, but still possible. Just a chance you take

 

Yeah I realize that and a car actually flipped at our first autox event this season, so I'm not suggesting that a harness bar is safer than a roll bar by any means. But wouldn't a four point seat belt harness be as safe or safer than a stock belt on the street?
I don't get why a harness is a bad idea without rollover protection.

 

I don't get why a harness is a bad idea without rollover protection.

It's because you're held securely to the seat, and have less ability to avoid the roof in a rollover.

 

most autox rollovers are low speed, therefore just a harness bar is OK.

On the street and HPDE, things happen much faster and roofs cave in. If you are strapped in right, neck goes squish.

Memphis, I'm speaking of Scott Giles point of view, I know you know it

Yeah, been thinking about my CRX and a cage or Autopower bolt-in 4 point.

 

So point being a seatbelt harness bar isnt recommended because of safety issues which is why its better to go with the whole cage instead......Hmmmmmm that got me thinking since its going to involve a lot of money.I just love how the seatbelts look though but unfortunately its not for right now then. Anyone have any suggestions on what could be done inside then that wont involve any safety issues lol Thanks for looking out everyone by the way<3 b

 

So point being a seatbelt harness bar isnt recommended because of safety issues which is why its better to go with the whole cage instead...

I wouldn't recommend a cage, but a roll bar. A full cage (halo and A-pillar bars) isn't safe on the street either. A roll bar is a main hoop behind the seats that extends above your head, and this is what you need for harnesses in a street car.

Anyone have any suggestions on what could be done inside then that wont involve any safety issues lol

If you're just looking to change things up in the interior, how about changing out the steering wheel? Or maybe the seats? Those can be done for much cheaper.

 

So a roll bar is what I need then???Thanks a lot and would you know where I could get one and what it aproximately cost to get one???

 

Research an Autopower bolt-in roll bar.

 

Thanks a lot......Their quite expensive but it seems to satisfy my needs

 

I have seen pictures of CRXs that have been rear ended and the back end curls up and forward. In this type of accident a roll bar would sweep through the passenger compartment like a mouse trap probably assuring a fatal result. If your expecting a rollover get a bar. If there is a risk of a rear end collision I would think twice about that. There is a range of rear end collision severity that may be survivable without a roll bar that would surly be fatal with a roll bar.

Mike

 

It would have to be a monumental collision for the roll bar to move more than a couple inches, seriously.

 

In that heavy to a rear end collision I'd be more worried about the seat back bending or failing rather than the bar moving.

5-10 mph rear impact is enough to bend the seatback, I know mine did last Thursday night.

Thank you local Twp. police for "taking your time" getting him to the county justice center so he didn't get a Friday morning court hearing, he had to wait until Monday morning.

 

It would have to be a monumental collision for the roll bar to move more than a couple inches, seriously.

More likely for the bolt in kit to punch through the floor on a rollover....like the Mustang did.

 

It would have to be a monumental collision for the roll bar to move more than a couple inches, seriously.

More likely for the bolt in kit to punch through the floor on a rollover....like the Mustang did.

Better that the roll bar punch through and dissipate stress than for you to have...

 

In that heavy to a rear end collision I'd be more worried about the seat back bending or failing rather than the bar moving.

5-10 mph rear impact is enough to bend the seatback, I know mine did last Thursday night.

Yup. And as the seat back folds backward it comes to rest against the lower bar that forms the belt attach point it creates a chute that directs the crown of your head directly at the top bar of the roll bar. If 10 or 15 MPH impact is enough to bend the seat back then 25 to 30 MPH rear impact would probably kill any taller driver (or passenger) and that's an impact that would normally be considered survivable.

There are tradeoffs with many items of safety equipment and I see potential for serious injury caused by a roll bar in a rear end collision. I'm curious so I'll ask some experts that I know but my reasonably informed opinion is that the risk is real.

Mike

 

Why is a full cage with harness considered unsafe for street use? Just curious, not really interested in buying one.